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	<title>Comments on: Not moving the goalposts</title>
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		<title>By: Platform 10 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Evidence, judgement and why politicians are political</title>
		<link>http://www.platform10.org/2009/09/not-moving-the-goalposts/comment-page-1/#comment-23495</link>
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		<description>[...] appears to be in a similar vein as the proposed Office for Budget Responsibility. I&#8217;ve previously argued that there could be a situation where ministers say that the political outweighs the evidence [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] appears to be in a similar vein as the proposed Office for Budget Responsibility. I&#8217;ve previously argued that there could be a situation where ministers say that the political outweighs the evidence [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fiona Melville</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fiona Melville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disraeli: I think you&#039;ve not picked up the essential of the Office for Budget Responsibility (which though is a DREADFUL name). 

The point of it is not some big list of rules. The point is to have some kind of independent body that will say - no, that can&#039;t be right - an institutional &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.platform10.org/2009/03/the-governors-eyebrow/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Governor&#039;s Eyebrow&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, if you will. 

And yes, I take your point about problems of independence and recruitment and group-think, but I do think there is a place for an independent body to say &quot;This is the &#039;economic&#039; answer&quot; but then leave the political stuff to the politicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disraeli: I think you&#8217;ve not picked up the essential of the Office for Budget Responsibility (which though is a DREADFUL name). </p>
<p>The point of it is not some big list of rules. The point is to have some kind of independent body that will say &#8211; no, that can&#8217;t be right &#8211; an institutional <a href="http://www.platform10.org/2009/03/the-governors-eyebrow/" rel="nofollow"><strong>Governor&#8217;s Eyebrow</strong></a>, if you will. </p>
<p>And yes, I take your point about problems of independence and recruitment and group-think, but I do think there is a place for an independent body to say &#8220;This is the &#8216;economic&#8217; answer&#8221; but then leave the political stuff to the politicians.</p>
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		<title>By: Disraeli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Disraeli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting blog Fiona.

There are two things I don&#039;t like about Brown&#039;s idea.  Firstly, it distorts what I regard to be a very important constitutional principle that no Parliament should bind its successor.   Secondly, setting in stone how much we should be borrowing in the future takes away a lot of freedom from future Governments.  Sometimes using deficits and borrowing is justified and necessary.  The US during the Great Depression is a great example.  Indeed, it is rather a shame that the British Government didn&#039;t act in a more proactive manner in the 1920s and 1930s to tackle the misery of mass unemployment using some kind of borrowing.

Regarding the idea of an independent body who can say &#039;stop spending&#039;, I&#039;m not convinced by this.  Such bodies can never be truly independent.  Would it be full of people who always abide by certain economic dogmas - free to place a veto on a Government who decide to use a neo Keynesian approach to tackle unemployment?  Would it be staffed by the kind of economic &#039;experts&#039; who helped get us into this mess in the first place.  The level of spending and borrowing is a particularly important economic tool that the Government can use in times of crisis.  People may not agree with this but I think it is only right that an unelected body cannot tell an elected body what to do.  An elected Government should be held accountable for its economic policy - rather than having its hands tied by, or passing the buck to, an unelected body.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting blog Fiona.</p>
<p>There are two things I don&#8217;t like about Brown&#8217;s idea.  Firstly, it distorts what I regard to be a very important constitutional principle that no Parliament should bind its successor.   Secondly, setting in stone how much we should be borrowing in the future takes away a lot of freedom from future Governments.  Sometimes using deficits and borrowing is justified and necessary.  The US during the Great Depression is a great example.  Indeed, it is rather a shame that the British Government didn&#8217;t act in a more proactive manner in the 1920s and 1930s to tackle the misery of mass unemployment using some kind of borrowing.</p>
<p>Regarding the idea of an independent body who can say &#8216;stop spending&#8217;, I&#8217;m not convinced by this.  Such bodies can never be truly independent.  Would it be full of people who always abide by certain economic dogmas &#8211; free to place a veto on a Government who decide to use a neo Keynesian approach to tackle unemployment?  Would it be staffed by the kind of economic &#8216;experts&#8217; who helped get us into this mess in the first place.  The level of spending and borrowing is a particularly important economic tool that the Government can use in times of crisis.  People may not agree with this but I think it is only right that an unelected body cannot tell an elected body what to do.  An elected Government should be held accountable for its economic policy &#8211; rather than having its hands tied by, or passing the buck to, an unelected body.</p>
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